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  1. There were two extremely hateful comments left here by another user. If you've seen it, I'm sorry. I've blocked him/her from my channel but I do want to leave my reply as a pinned comment:
    I find Dutch people to be tolerant, kind, open and helpful as a society. It is one of the many, many reasons I love living here. My channel is a place to be kind to each other and offer support to those who are new in NL and are having trouble navigating the systems that are in place. This is NOT the place for hateful comments or bashing ANY nationality. If you don't want to be part of that, then there are many places where you can go to be hateful. But that place is NOT here.

  2. Het consultatieburo is also called consternatieburo between mum's. Consternatie is consternation… I always felt it as an exam in good motherhood to go there. My daughter was born to small and very below average. The pedestrian in the hospital checked her also for the first year if she would have a normal grow. But the consultatieburo was always commenting her hight… and gave opposite advice of the hospital. Or they concluded to fast on to little information with an overtaken advice. I needed to check there feet and needed to see a therapist. I did but the therapist said it was fine for the age. So some advice you need to judge on your own if it is working and necessary for you.

  3. I watched this and thought…yeah wauw, it's pretty good childcare here πŸ˜„.
    But as a " kraamverzorgende" , I missed that part πŸ˜…πŸ˜

    Also, said as a " kraamverzorgende" I always said in every family I worked; all the information and tips you get; from me, from the consultatiebureau, from the verloskundige, from family, ftom friends….just listen to it, take it in, and if it fits you, usr it, if it doesn't…one ear in…other ear out!

  4. I like these videos because it teaches me so much about my own country

    The directness seems to me as a way to have a clear distinction between facts and opinions/values. This soberness (nuchterheid) allows you to make your own decisions in an informed way, where it is easier to communicate what you find important in any given situation

  5. I'm not a father, but my sister has two kids. She also had BIG issues with the way some information was shared by the consultatiebureau, especially with her first child. A lot of hormones are there sure, but my sister isn't made of sugar. It's just that some of the info and the way it was said, came across as somewhat judgemental. So yeah, even Dutch mothers have those experiences as well.

  6. when i was i child (my parents are from past colonial Indonesia) born in 1963 i notice step by step improvement child healthcare, age 7 or 8 a consultatiebureau/doctor & nurses/dentists in a bus comme in the small village (about 500 inhabitants)..Now when i'am older its change a lot but still the bases of healthcare is there even for aging people..
    So your compliments mean for most dutch people a shower of pride because this is very small country and not so strong as the USA or other nations..But some times its better to be small then big in every issue in the global world. Sometimes we ar big (historical and future proof) but we share gladly with other nations or people..
    Keep up your video (special for foreigners) who wants to intergrated and learn (i say nobody is too old to LEARNING) and living in The Netherlands..PS. your man and your children are lucky too have a 'PRINCESS" and thanx too your parents to give birth to this 'CINDERELLA"…

  7. I remember my mum once telling me she didn't like the way people at the consultatiebureau talked to her when she went there with me (a very healthy baby), and that was over 50 years ago! And we're are Dutch, so we are also used to the typical Dutch directness. Having heard stories from other family members too, I really think it's a pretty common complaint that sometimes people who work at consultatiebureaus have a way of making their advice sound like an order. They can make you feel like you are a bad parent, just because you're doing something slightly differently from what they are preaching. The way to deal with this is to just shrug your shoulders and carry on doing what you think is best, as long as your baby is growing, eating well, etcetera.

  8. Dear Jovie, thank you for this informative video , as an expat living in the Netherlands. As im considering become a mom next year all this information is so clear and gives a peace of mind. As well of the childbirth video , is excellent , I was thinking to give birth in my home country but know Im more open to have it in the NL. Have a great day!

  9. Thank you for this video, When you tell it like that, it reminds me of how blessed we are to live here πŸ˜€
    There is one thing I think you forgot to mention; babies here get a 'hielprik' at 7 days old (I thought the nurse of the consultatiebureau takes it when they come to your home)
    Than they take a view drops of blood from the heel area and send it to the lab to see if the baby has any hereditary diseases. I think they do tests on about ten of those diseases. If you don't hear anything about the results they are all fine. And if they find something they will contact you and they can start treatment from a very young age, which gives the child the most advantages possible .

  10. One but not the only reason why Dutch people speak English at such a high level is because all English and American movies on TV are broadcasted in English with subtitles in Dutch. Dutch kids already picked up a lot of English long before their first lessons at school. In Germany the same movies are dubbed in German, so Dutch kids have a great advantage. I'm 68, but I do remember that my first teacher of English (1963) resented the American way of pronounciation of the Dutch kids – they were supposed to learn British English. πŸ™‚

  11. Yes, dutch people can be very blunt, straight forward and sometimes patronizing and handling non-dutch speaking mothers like children. Actually i think this straight forwardness is good, but this patronizing is not. Just because you don't speak dutch your are not a fool or a child. Probably you are assigned to doctor for "foreigners", he/she is probably als dealing with other foreigners, so it is understandable where this behavior is coming from, but it is not correct. You are the mother and the first one responsible for your children, together with your husband, these doctors are only advisors, don't take them too seriously.

  12. The family doctor is the first line of support. If necessary he/she can refer to specialists of whatever is needed, not only child doctors, but also for eyes, lungs, knees, whatever.

  13. well… i dont have kids or live in the netherlands, but this was interesting! πŸ˜€ i've watched another one the same subject.. in both you say you dont want to be political but still seems to be haha πŸ˜€

  14. Hi Jovie, you may notice I discovered your channel :-). I totally agree that we Dutchies are blunt and straightforward. But. The people of the Consultatiebureau bring a new dimension to that. I, as a Dutchie, have been crying sometimes when I visited them. They are really not kind (of 'cause there are exceptions). One day a doctor there told me 1-year old was way too fat and he was going to get obesitas, heart failure and diabetes. That was so awful !! I think they are selected on cruelty…

  15. Yes, The 'Consultatiebureau' checks for child abuse, which is one of the reasons to see the kids in their underwear. Another reason is posture and motor skills.

  16. Hi! I love your videos. Just a note on the β€œfree” aspect of healthcare. It is free at point of access, but it isn’t free as eye-watering taxation at source is quite a contribution! 😁. My children are too old for all this stuff so I haven’t experienced it here in NL, and I had them while living in england. It seems the system there is almost identical, with baby clinics, drop ins, stripping down to the nappy, measuring, weighing, vaccination, charting etc etc… My children had their hearing test in hospital before leaving after being born.

  17. My husband is from an β€œexotic” country and I’m Dutch. The Consultatiebureau actually offered to combine both countries vaccination schedules for free! We love the Dutch health care system. Our kids are set for life in their multi-continental family community.

  18. Oh and about the harsh direct style at 24:10: there are so many issues there coming together. Although you sing the praises of the command of English by Dutch people, don't forget that speaking words in an other language does not mean you can fully use the nuances of a language and (!) the very Anglo sense of using forms of politeness. Let a lone being hindered by a more limited vocabulary. Most of the people are in fact speaking Dutch to you (grammar wise) with a limited amount of English words. And that is all the more tangible when it comes to these delicate subjects as children and healthcare. As a Dutch first-time parent I personally have a very positive experience with both the doctor and nurse at our consulatiebureau, also when it comes to communication. But I also know of Dutch patents who are not happy with the tone of the consulatiebureau. Calling it the 'consternatiebureau'. So many factors there that define your experience.

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