Ben Shapiro Interview | Trump, God & Health Care

hey this is roaming millennial thank you so much for joining us with me I have a guest that I know I've been looking forward to for a very long time we have been Shapiro who's editor-in-chief at the Daily wire he's a very prolific author and of course resident thug life king of the conservative movement event thank you so much for joining us yeah absolutely are you doing I'm good I'm very excited and I know you have a busy day you have something right after this I was told so I'm gonna make it quick but I do have a lot of things to ask you so let's just jump right into it the first thing sounds good I'd like to ask you about is politics you were a very vocal critic of Trump during the election but of course now that he is God King Emperor and our president I think you've been both fair at giving credit and criticism where it's due now in your opinion overall do you think he's been a positive or negative thing for Republicans conservatives and I guess the country in general so I think that you sort of have to separate out various strains of what he's been so on policy I think that he's been largely power positive you know in terms of cutting back regulations stacking the judiciary working to to relieve rules on military I think all of that is really really good stuff and I'm glad that Trump is in the White House for that as far as major legislation you know nothing's gotten done so it's very difficult to to praise the president when his own party can't get anything done and it would be it would be helpful if the president weren't the dog from up just constantly chasing squirrels every time there was a final push on for for a major piece of legislation you know in the middle of the healthcare push it's like the last three days and he's ripping on Jeff Sessions his own Attorney General on Twitter like that's not super useful stuff but in terms of what he's been able to when he leaves people alone who he's appointed to do their jobs then everything seems to go pretty well when he intervenes himself then I think things tend to go to hell in a handbasket now I think what most people on the right celebrate about Trump is not something that I'm not that I'm super celebratory about and that is his culture warrior stick the getting involved with kneeling players on the sidelines of NFL games and the reason that I'm not a big fan of this is not because I think he's wrong I think he's absolutely right when he says that it's stupid to kneel for the national anthem of course the problem is that because Trump is such a polarizing figure he actually ends up having a net a net negative effect on the country's opinions on these issues so he the issue right Trump won the issue about players kneeling on the sidelines of course he was gonna win that issue because before everything started 80% of Americans thought that was stupid the problem is if you look at the polls after Trump intervened now 55 percent of Americans who think that it's stupid and a huge percentage of Americans don't think it's stupid to kneel on the sidelines so he actually ended up pushing more moderate Americans into the camp at the left then he ended up pushing more moderate Americans into the camp of the right so he can he can win the battle personally and still lose the battle in terms of the next generation of people who are alienated by Trump and that that's been my main criticism of how Trump acts as president because the truth is the president has really three jobs one is to work with Congress to legislate he's not been good at that one is the executive branch kind of function he has been fine with that as long as he lets people do the job and the final is to be the the sort of spokesperson for the conservative movement and the Republican Party and their I think he's been quite awful so and that's why I try to you know K separate this out so you know on executive policy a – on legislative policy D on talking on not shutting his piehole D as well and you know in terms of legislation that's where a lot of people who did support Trump during the election are kind of a little bit disappointed with his inability to either get results or perhaps even just rally Republicans in Congress to be unified and I think probably the biggest example of that is healthcare and actually when I tweeted out that I was gonna have you and wanted questions from the audience a lot of people were interested about your opinion on health care now of course being a conservative you are you know an evil bigot who doesn't think that we should take care of poor people what's your response to that and in your opinion how can the United States balance things like free-market capitalism and individual freedom with the idea that we want as many people getting effective health care as possible I mean the truth is that effective health care and health insurance are not exactly the same thing what we actually have right now is a major shortage of medical supply of medical care supply doctors are not going into the business at the same rate it takes forever to become a doctor I know my wife's been going through it for nearly the last decade it's very expensive it's very time-consuming and then there are all these burdens put on you when you are a doctor so you have doctors who are retiring early and the insurance companies make it very difficult for doctors to practice because there are all these barriers between customers the patients and the doctors right if you walk into a doctor's office right now you say I want an x-ray how much will it cost the doctor literally cannot tell you the doctor will literally tell you I don't know the answer to that right they have to run it through an insurance company and then if you don't have insurance then maybe you have to pay out-of-pocket but you'll have to look up what the price is gonna be all of this means that you don't have a market-responsive system if you had a more market-responsive system where people's insurance was not provided by their employer but it was personally bought you actually went out negotiated on behalf of you can solve group insurance through churches and synagogues and through you know just groups of your friends and you can do it that way and you can negotiate with insurance companies for what is covered as opposed to this very non transparent system then you get more competition in the marketplace more supply lower cost as happen in every other element of American life in in the medical field this is true as well I mean if you look at laser eye surgery which is not covered by most insurance programs then laser eye surgery used to cost $20,000 an eye and not be as good now it cost like 3,000 bucks an eye and it's really good because everyone realized there's money to be made and so he had everybody going into ophthalmology and optometry so the the idea that the free market doesn't work with regard to medical care is not true now there are certain people who are going to be so sick that it's impossible for them to get medical insurance and those people this is why I really believe in a social safety net that is provided outside of government this is why you have collective bargaining this is why it's important that people are incentivized to buy health insurance young and maintain their health insurance over time and if there has to be a local program that helps support that then I'm for local programs that support a bit federalizing the healthcare system seems to me a recipe for rationing and for and for lowering the level of care generally so that's my general take as far as you know Trump's legislative priorities on this thing that again I can't put legislative failures entirely on Trump he is a very fractious caucus in the Senate Mitch McConnell has not been able to get people together in the Senate Paul Ryan has had trouble getting things through the house I mean he eventually has gotten things through the house but I can't put that all on Trump but part of the problem here is that Republicans ran for seven years on repealing Obamacare and then Trump during the campaign basically made two promises that are in mutual conflicts one I'll repeal Obamacare and lower cost and two there will be universal health care right everyone will be covered once you say those two things that those two things cannot coexist they just don't exist right if you can have three as I've said many times there are three things that you can have when it comes to healthcare you can have universality you can have affordability you can have quality you can only have two of those three you cannot have all three there's no program that is universal affordable and quality it doesn't work that way so once you say that there's gonna be universality and that there's also going to be quality and affordability now you're guaranteeing things that can never be guaranteed and that's I think why you've seen so many Republicans backing away they made promises you know they they wrote checks that they can't fill you just mentioned a I guess safety net outside of government in your opinion would things like religious charities fit into that yeah I think that that's that's mostly what I'm talking about I think that the decline of religious institutions in the United States is something that atheists should be upset about because it was those religious institutions that used to fill the gap right for for me I live in a religious community I'm an Orthodox Jew that means that I have a sort of hierarchy of people that I go to if I need help right first I I try to solve it with my wife and then if we can't do that then we go to our parents and then if we can't see that then we go to you know maybe brothers and sisters and then if we can't do that then we go to our synagogue right we go to the rabbi and we say we need help from the community and people like me signed a lot of checks to of my community so that people can get help through the community you've seen there are there churches that put together collective bargaining on behalf of on behalf of people who are are impoverished or have bad health have a bad health conditions they have created basically health coops and these negotiate just like an employer-based insurance program what the the decline of kind of the social fabric and institutions that were members of together means that we have to treat you as an individual there's good stuff to that there's bad stuff to that one of the bad things is that if we treat you is completely atomistic you're on an island on your own individual you're responsible for your own stuff right you don't get to it you don't get to collectively bargain alongside me if I don't know you I don't like you and you know we share nothing in common and actually my my father's family and growing up very poor in Hong Kong when he was younger his brother actually got polio one of the only places they were able to get treatment was one of the Catholic charity hospitals that were there and that's actually how my father's family that had traditionally been you know the sort of Buddhist Confucian it's really common in Hong Kong converted to Catholicism and then I eventually would transfer over to the winning team of Protestantism but you know that brings up a good point because I would also love to see more of these religious charities working outside government to provide a lot of the services that I think the left believes the state should be responsible for but like you said because of the decline and I guess really just participation the United States that's not really happening as much and we see this rise in secularism all over the West most predominantly in Europe but it's happening the states as well do you think that's hurting or helping us because a lot of people point to the fact that oh you know that we have the gay rights now further women's rights sexual liberation that's all been possible because of an increase in secularism what's your thoughts on that I mean I think that there are certain basic principles that a society is founded on that require the presence of a basic belief in judeo-christian values and I don't mean that you have to believe every word of Leviticus but what I am saying is that the idea of a God based system that provides a morality that we can all agree on and that actually provides the basis for faith in free will reason the ability to talk with one another once those things disappear you're in real trouble and this is a mess you're writing an entire book on this right now the the biggest problem I think that we face is that we're sort of living the secular movement the secular humanist movement is living off the fumes of religion there are certain basic principles that the second law humanist movement likes to believe in things like human rights things like freedom things like reason things like freewill these things do not exist in a in a scientific materialist world these are concepts that are made up by man in a scientific materialist world and they aren't even really of any value from an evolutionary perspective right if you're just a scientific materialist there's no such thing as objective truth there's just what is evolutionarily beneficial there's just something that helps the species grow well if that's the case then you can throw out virtually half of the left human rights because haven't left human rights are things that actually prevent the species from from increasing in numbers so yeah they have claimed their rights that outstrip that I agree that sometimes their rights that outstrip what is quite a whole best for the species but you have to make a moral case that is predicated on something outside of the thoughts that are going on in your own head particularly if you're trying to make the claim that you came up with these thoughts and and we have the capability to use reason reason is is again a sort of religious concept in essence because it's the idea that certain neurons functioning in your brain is more beneficial and more positive and more useful than other neurons functioning in your brain and that's not at all clear that's not at all clear so it's I think that a lot of the concepts secular humanists rely upon are religious and root and once you remove those foundations secular humanism crumbles in on itself and I'm glad you brought that up that religion is sort of the root of reason because another issue that people were eager to hear your thoughts about when I when I asked them for their questions was your thoughts on whether it is irrational to believe in God because there's sort of this you know the fedora tipping atheist movement right that likes to believe that anyone who believes in any sort of deism or theism is a rational emotional kind of raised in a cult hasn't thought it through what what would you say to them to push back on that idea the idea that to be someone who believes in God you must be irrational and I think that that's stupid particularly because I think that self refuting if the idea is that rationality is something that you take supremely seriously then you're assuming that you have the ability to independently think and I would ask you what evidence you have of that if you're living if you're basically a ball of meat wandering through space aimlessly and then I would ask you what value rationality has and why you even believe it exists why is it not just your prefrontal cortex firing and why is it not why are you not just you're not choosing to do anything right your your the outcome of your genetics and your environment and that's it there's nothing else out there right if you're a scientific materialists then even your discussion of the uses of Reason or the the non benefits of rationality make no sense in that context we're all destined to think what we're gonna think anyway so what the hell are you talking about as far as the idea that you can't rationally believe in God virtually every great thinker in human history has thought differently they're all the way back to Plato and Aristotle the idea that you can't believe in the notion of an unmoved mover the idea that that there is a a root and a logic to the universe even though even scientific materialists believe that there's a root and logic to the universe they believe it like Sam Harris will say that he believes an objective truth and if you believe an objective truth then you have to answer the content question which is your mind is quite limited right your mind is limited as to what it can perceive so why do you believe that what you're seeing is not through a glass darkly why do you believe that what you are seeing is actually a reflection of the universe as opposed to you filtering that universe through your addled brain and then trying to act out in that way if you believe in objective truth or objective morality where is that coming from so I believe that you know that God can be reached through the basic notion that Free Will exists reason exists logic exists we have the capacity to make decisions for ourselves these these concepts don't really have tremendous roots in in sort of the biology that the left likes to likes to cite and all of those concepts by the way are at the root of the development of the biology that the left likes to rely upon the science that the left thinks is so wonderful was all produced by judeo-christian society that believed that the human mind was a reflection of something higher and that we had an obligation to seek out God in the universe that's the this is the idea that we were that secular humanism just sort of spontaneously arose randomly in Western civilization is not true historically and it's stupid philosophically all right well thank you for that I think it's turned up a lot of things and I hope that at the very least if they don't agree with you people who look at you and discussing these issues can at least accept the fact that you know not all people who adhere to some sort of faith-based value of spur systems are I don't know bible-bashing rednecks who are married to their cousins so I the very least I I appreciate you for being there for that but thank you so much for joining us and know you've got a really busy day but I really appreciate you taking the time and sure everyone watching I'll see you next time bye


  1. If you want to see more of the interview, head on over to my site for some outtakes! I ask Ben about his favorite TV shows, if pineapple belongs on pizza, and if he'll ever run for office:

  2. You can very easily be a rational thinker and believe in god if you suspend your reason when it comes to your belief in god. It's silly to say a believer is totally incapable of rational thought.

  3. hahahaha! The funny thing about interviewing Ben Shapiro is it becomes the Ben Shapiro show. You held in there pretty good as an interviewer though.

  4. a little annoyed than ben switched to a view of just him when he was speaking at length, he doesnt realize when hes talking were still looking at lauren

  5. What a fantasy. Charities will never be the solution to Healthcare coverage. Duh! We already have Medicaid to cover the poor. The issue is affordable Healthcare for the working class low income and even middle class who don’t qualify for Medicaid and work in service industries that offer no group insurance.

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  7. Dear Ms. Chen. UNiversal healthcare works fine. If you would expand your gaze a bit more towards Germany, you will find that it works fairly well sinc 1883. Also it was instated and founded by Otto von Bismarck to counter Social Democratic ambitions. In its modern form, both employee and employer share 7,5 % of the growth payment to put into healthfund which is used to pay for medical car which is mandated by law to have.

    I think it is reasonable that the burdens are split.

    if the Obama administration would have bothered to look how we do it. It may have been partially possible to achieve that. however another factor and difference is the insatiable hunger for money of American healthcare services. Basic medical care is not charged here for.

    I think however that the US is so star spangled awesome that the American people think they have a right to the biggest piece of everything and therefore are afraid to get enough out of such a fund, instead of claiming the smallest piece, where it is sufficient for everyone.

    If your healthcare industry would be reigned in and your politicians less corrupt, Universal healthcare would be achievable.

    I once got sick, while I lived in the US and it was quite expensive to have a bronchitis.

    I love the US and the southern states have a special heart in my place. But unlike most, I can appreciate your country while not wanting to live there.

    I figured, I wanted to add my constructive two cents to it.

    I would be delighted to hear your opinion on my response.

  8. Ben Shapiro is so spot on with some topics, and such a brainless partisan on others. Wish he would think more independently from the renazican ideology.

  9. 11:53 If you want to abandon rationality (including accuracy in inductive reasoning and rigor in deductive reasoning), what do you really have left? the willingness to believe in absolutely anything! i'm gonna stick with observation and logic instead of picking an arbitrary ticket out of the lottery bowl of religions that likely consists exclusively of fabrication.
    12:09 the value of rationality? easy! all of technology that allows us to live with a higher quality of life than 100k years ago. neurons firing and us being "balls of meat wandering through space […] and being the outcome of genetics and environment […] destined to think what we we're gonna think anyway" are all red herrings and take place at a different abstraction layer than what's discussed – it's not mutually exclusive to humans being able to find out things.
    12:35 even if this wasn't an appeal to authority, it would still be misleading. most of the universe was still puzzling to us humans pre 18th/19th century (ie, the worldview was still very mythical) and non-religious scientists were often persecuted or didnt receive funding. also social proof and parental indoctrination cannot be ignored (especially in interaction with the other factors ive mentioned)
    12:47: from our limited perspective maybe. he's only presenting his "root" theory but doesn't mention alternative theories, including that of multiverses (i.e., all possible universes exist).
    13:00 again, the alternative to not trusting our logic and measurements is to believe in anything. Judaism is one among infinitely many unsound theories you can choose. our filtering isn't that bad. we can discriminate the most important wavelength ranges to colors, we are pretty good at problem solving (at least some of us….), we can use the scientific method etc.
    13:16 natural selection did a reasonably good job at making us good problem solvers. if we can solve the agriculture problem, the communication problem, etc., we can probably also solve some other tricky problems better than other animals and get closer to the truth.
    13:20 he doesn't even provide his interpretation of "free will," but it seems somewhat clear what direction it goes towards based on his follow up. we have identified many consistent & reliable neural correlates of certain brain states, have identified certain consistent behaviors from humans that are missing dedicated / functional brain regions, and even artificial neural nets that are much more simple than our brains can beat us in certain problem solving tasks. and then he makes his flawed ontological argument yet again…
    13:40 what part of the science? if you look back far enough to the foundation of mathematics, it's all built by the "heretics". and then my arguments from religious pressures towards the "judeo-christian scientists" of that epoch from my third point above still stands.

  10. Is anyone who voted for Trump really all that disappointed. They knew who and what they were voting for. This was a vote to keep the Clintons out of the White House. Lets not forget that.

  11. Oh hey, Roaming is a protestant! I wonder which kind? Fingers crossed for the true winning team of Anglicanism! XD

  12. I'm Christian and I know he is a Jew, the point is that Atheists shouldn't be angry at him for what he believes, the thing is that he makes really good points on many political issues, it doesn't mean u have to accept everything he says as true, that's fanatism and it's unnecessary. Just relax and learn arguments from him to defend what u consider the best for society

  13. insurance is SOOO complicated. I wish a patient could call me and say "do you take my insurance?" and i can say a clear "yes" or "no" but these days it depends on your particular plan, which CPT codes which ICD-10 codes your plan, subplan, group etc. etc. etc. covers. I love the concept of insurance, we as a people help each other out in times of sickness. but the way that it is done now is a huge headache… I've had patients pay cash rather than deal with their own insurance in some cases….

  14. As a Christian the way I look at it is to understand that faith is just that,,,,FAITH. I have listened to and understand the arguments of atheism and other religions and the objections to faith and choose to believe in God and in Jesus as they are presented in the Holy Bible. I am not brain washed and have chosen to believe. 🙂

  15. On healthcare you need universal coverage or people die. Universal health care is the only pro-life position.

  16. I may not agree with everything Mr.Shapiro has to say, but god do I respect the man and his point of view, and the way he presents the same.

  17. Whilst this was interesting to listen to and showed another side to religious people that you don't really see in an atheist (which is what I am) wind tunnels (I think that's the phrase, I kinda forgot it), I personally do not agree with his view that modern society or government should base policy on Judao-Christian values. Yes, a lot of morals come from religions such as Christianity, but they probably got influence from religions before that, and they got influence from ones before that and so on and so forth. Modern society has a lot of religions, especially a county like America, so favouring one religion over another is going to cause unrest in the country, so the best thing to do would be having policy that doesn't favour any one religion BUT ALSO doesn't impede on religious freedoms. But that's just my personal opinion.

  18. I have watched alot of shapiro’s videos and agree with some, but when he starts talking about religion i am out, his opinion is so biased on that specific topic

  19. Thank you Sir, for speaking on the Roaming Millennial channel, very engaging! Love her views, and her guests.

  20. His secular theory is so off. Morality based on religion is not a good structure by which to live. It is not the root of reason, it is the antithesis. All atheism is, is you say Christianity is true…an Atheist says, I don't have any good reason to believe you. I would love to hear him explain how secular humanism is stupid philosophically and how he thinks it did arise.

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