Can Depression Be Treated Without Medication? What's the Proof?



Margaret you've worked with at this point thousands of people they come to see you in groups they speak to you personally do this everyday and the constant theme is people are to press they're anxious they're angry they said they're lonely everything you've done a tremendous amount of research on this could you instead of just telling your conclusion explain what the basis is of your conclusion you know that's a how many people have you seen that have depressed that you've actually seen turn it around how what studies have you seen that maybe go into a little more detail of why you came to these conclusions as opposed to you tell a little bit of what made you come to this conclusion how many how big the data said is that you're basing this on yeah well as I said a lot of people come to me depressed very few leave their work I can't think of anybody that's left their work with me with depression that doesn't mean that they don't get sad sometimes we all do and difficult things happen in our lives but the real cause of emotional depression other than physical is that most people have learned to reject themselves in many many ways and I started to talk about this before we reject ourselves by staying up in our head when we were young and we didn't get the love we needed there were huge huge painful feelings loneliness heartbreak helplessness over our parents and others and peers and bullies and we couldn't manage these feelings and most of our parents had no idea how to manage their feelings if you think about your parents what did they do when they were upset did they sit down and think you know I wonder what I'm telling myself and how I'm treating myself that's causing me to feel bad or did they turn to alcohol or drugs or TV or some other addiction did they yell at each other and scream at each other because they are upset very few of them knew how to take responsibility for their own feelings and so their children did not learn how to take responsibility for their feelings so when they come to me they have no idea that they are likely causing their own depression because they don't know how to manage their feelings and so as they learn to move into their heart as they learn to give up getting out of their head get into their body as they learn to tune in to these judgements you know these harsh judgments that they level it themselves as they learn to stop turning to various addictions and instead turn inward towards their own feelings and learn from them rather than avoid them as they learn to stop making everybody around them responsible for their feelings as they learn to tune into a spiritual source of love and wisdom that they can bring inside and down inside to those feelings and they're open to learning rather than protecting against all of their pain because all of our feelings are informational all of our feelings are informing us about how we're treating ourselves whether we're abandoning ourselves or loving ourselves or what's happening in relationship to others and so if we depress them with medication or with being in our head or judging ourselves or turning to addictions or making others responsible of course we're going to be depressed why wouldn't we and so when people learn to lovingly learn from and manage all of their feelings when they learn to embrace their feelings rather than avoid them instead of getting deeper into depression they move out of depression and they move out rapidly it happens very quickly sometimes in a day or two sometimes like with my client in a half an hour when they really get what they're doing they move out of it and so for 46 years I've been doing this and I've seen this with thousands and thousands of people who were convinced that it was hereditary it was brain balancing and it wasn't it wasn't at all it was how they were eating and how are they are treating themselves he would ask Steve about how many patients how many clinical trials we had looked at but my conclusions are based on and what I'll answer that with it's not just the clinical trials that my colleagues and I examined back in 2002 and 2008 excuse me but the most recent data on it and I get published even but it comes straight from the FDA and this is an analysis by a senior analyst at the FDA of 92 clinical trials with more than 23,000 patients and the drug placebo difference is exactly the same small drug placebo difference that we reported in 2002 so I'm absolutely certain that these data are reliable now I want to mention two additional things first of all a warning if you are currently on an antidepressant do not just stop taking it do not just stop taking it so a number of reasons for that and one of the reasons for that is the problem of withdrawal symptoms of the antidepressant withdrawal syndrome so that can be consequences if you are unhappy taking them if you're not getting enough benefit if you're troubled by the side effects and the health risks get some help in getting off of them don't just stop by yourself that's the first thing the second thing and this also is data based and looking at hundreds of clinical studies in meta and our these meta-analysis just a fancy word for putting the data together from a whole bunch of studies and seeing what they tell you when they put them together one of the things we know is that there are all kinds of alternatives there are many many treatment modalities that worked at least as well as antidepressant medication and that includes psychotherapy and various forms of psychotherapy and it includes physical exercise and includes acupuncture and it includes mindfulness meditation there are many alternatives that work at least as well and don't have the risks and side effects that are associated with these active drugs especially if you've never been on an antidepressant if you have a loved one that's depressed and has never been on an antidepressant if it's to be used at all it would be the last resort after you've tried everything else well and and to just use it temporarily not for 20 years yeah I would indeed I would try to avoid using you temporarily and I'll tell you why there are data indicating that using an antidepressant for as short a time as four to eight weeks can increase the risk of relapse and getting depressed again if you do get better compared to getting better by almost any other means so avoid them especially as a first approach if you don't want to get wound up just being addicted to them you know depression like any other feeling has information so instead of avoiding it with medication or avoiding it with addictions turn towards it embrace it welcome it ask the depression what trying to tell you that's what we teach we go inside okay I'm feeling depressed we'll go inside with an intention to learn in the inter bonding process there's only two intentions one is the intention to protect against our pain with some form of controlling behavior and the other is the intention to learn about loving ourselves and sharing love with others and so if we move into a true intention to learn about loving ourselves and we ask inside we ask that depression is there something I'm doing some way I'm treating you something I'm telling you that's causing you to feel this way you might be amazed at what your inner self says to you try it if you're depressed and see what your inner self says to you we are speaking about antidepressants um when I hear other terms like ADHD attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and parents are told that they want their kids that the schools say that the kids should be on it is that have anything to do with this discussion or is that a totally separate issue I think it has everything to do with it because once again it's been shown over and over with studies that when children are fed well then they're a DD ADHD heals but also it has to do with an environment you know what happens with the people that I work with is that when they're in a very loving and safe and accepting environment they also heal I once had a man come to an intensive who was suffering from bipolar disorder and he had had a really hard time his on a lot of medication but within the five days of the intensive all his symptoms went away because he felt so loved and so safe and so secure for the first time in his life now that's not easy to find unfortunately so you know he had to go back into the world that it wasn't so rubbing and wasn't so accepting but but that's part of it with like a DD ADHD is is helping the parents understand what they're doing how they're treating the children and how they're feeding their children and I'm going to pass on that again only because I'm going to stick to the data that I have analyzed and that I know inside-out and I've read books and I've read books that I can find very credible that take very similar approaches to ADHD and bipolar disorder and schizophrenia but I'm not going to make any claims about that I can talk to you about depression and anxiety disorders and the efficacy or lack thereof of antidepressants for those disorders and so that's what I'm going to stick to and is there a difference whether we're talking about short-term depression a few weeks or months first someone who stays on the drug for six eight ten years is there it does it work better for long term if you stay on it is there a difference in your findings short versus long term here's what happens if you get better on an antidepressant and you go off it you're very likely to relapse relapse rates over the long term on antidepressants are about 50% when people get off of them and say wind up being hooked onto them sometimes they relapse and get depressed anyway relapse rates with psychotherapy and even with placebo treatment are half that amount hour half that amount there was this lovely study that was done in which people depressed people were put into three different groups they were randomized they were assigned to one of three different groups one group was given an SSRI an antidepressant another group was given a physical exercise program and the third group was given the combination of the two maybe the tool will work better than either one alone and there was a nice response to each of the three regimens same size response and then they look 10 months later people got better how many of how many of them relapsed and what they found was high relapse rate of those who had been on the SSRIs even though they could continue to take them very low very low relapse rate is about 40% relapse on the SSRI relapse on the exercise program was 8% very very low and what about when you combine the two adding the SSRI to the antidepressant increased the relapse rate back up to the 40% adding the antidepressant to the exercise program quadrupled the risk of relapse and becoming depressed again

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  2. Came off antidepressants cold turkey a year ago, worst month of my life, but I became so fu king strong. Enduring the first week was the hardest fight of my life and now I know I'm capable of everything

  3. “Simply Thankyou”

    Introduction:
    After more than twenty years of fighting depression, many psychologists and many psychiatrists and so many cycles of medication, this simple personal insight brought me home!

    To all those beautiful people who have suffered from depression I would like to say “Thankyou, Simply Thankyou” for doing such a wonderful job. Thankyou for being such beautiful and courageous messengers , such shining beacons!

    I hear your pain , I have felt your pain, and now I hear your message and I hear it loud and clear for your message is simply the pain of humanity and the way it has to live now. The way we are living now is so wrong, so wrong, there is so little human-ness left in the way we live. We need to change, and we need to change now! So now relax in the knowing of a job well done, your message has been heard, that there has never been anything wrong with you, you are simply a gifted messenger!

    I know that place you go to; that deepening, darkening tunnel, which you shuffle down with trembling knees, and your body full of terror and panic. I know that place you go to, where the tunnel ends, where your bare feet are on solid ground but your toes are dangling over nothingness, an empty abyss, and it is so dark and frightening. Then dimly just ahead there is a feint outline, misty at first, that slowly forms into a shape, a doorway, and it's only about five feet away.

    And I know that moment when you are rocking on the balls of your feet, trying to decide wether to jump or not. “ I wonder if I can leap across in one bound or shall I take a few steps back and take a running jump?”
    Then for some reason, you stop rocking and plant your heels firmly back on the ground, and from somewhere deep, deep inside you grab hold of something primal, something essential and you turn around facing back the way you came and take a deep breath. I thank you in this moment for choosing to return to life rather than taking the leap of death.
    All ahead is blackness and you squint your eyes and then dimly percieve a minute spec of light, so small you are not sure it is real at all. So you slowly retrace your steps, and that little spec of light gets bigger and bigger as you shuffle fearfully upwards.
    You are heading back to the light and it is your light, and it is getting brighter and brighter until it's the colour of Cornish Ice cream and you can feel it's warmth enfold you, and suddenly you are out of the tunnel, back in the gallery of life.
    So you take your light and sit down, and relax and look back at where you came from. The tunnel is gone, the entrance has been bricked over, then plastered over and some artists have painted a mural over the place honouring the purpose of the tunnel.

    You are Home, you are safe! Well done and Simply Thankyou!

    Namaste' Bob and Barnaby Eden. Woof.

  4. The gentleman is absolutely right. If you get cognitive behavioral therapy and exercise and meditate every day, you're depression is going to go away.

  5. “Simply Thankyou”

    Introduction:
    After more than twenty years of fighting depression, many psychologists and many psychiatrists and so many cycles of medication, this simple personal insight brought me home!

    To all those beautiful people who have suffered from depression I would like to say “Thankyou, Simply Thankyou” for doing such a wonderful job. Thankyou for being such beautiful and courageous messengers , such shining beacons!

    I hear your pain , I have felt your pain, and now I hear your message and I hear it loud and clear for your message is simply the pain of humanity and the way it has to live now. The way we are living now is so wrong, so wrong, there is so little human-ness left in the way we live. We need to change, and we need to change now! So now relax in the knowing of a job well done, your message has been heard, that there has never been anything wrong with you, you are simply a gifted messenger!

    I know that place you go to; that deepening, darkening tunnel, which you shuffle down with trembling knees, and your body full of terror and panic. I know that place you go to, where the tunnel ends, where your bare feet are on solid ground but your toes are dangling over nothingness, an empty abyss, and it is so dark and frightening. Then dimly just ahead there is a feint outline, misty at first, that slowly forms into a shape, a doorway, and it's only about five feet away.

    And I know that moment when you are rocking on the balls of your feet, trying to decide wether to jump or not. “ I wonder if I can leap across in one bound or shall I take a few steps back and take a running jump?”
    Then for some reason, you stop rocking and plant your heels firmly back on the ground, and from somewhere deep, deep inside you grab hold of something primal, something essential and you turn around facing back the way you came and take a deep breath. I thank you in this moment for choosing to return to life rather than taking the leap of death.
    All ahead is blackness and you squint your eyes and then dimly percieve a minute spec of light, so small you are not sure it is real at all. So you slowly retrace your steps, and that little spec of light gets bigger and bigger as you shuffle fearfully upwards.
    You are heading back to the light and it is your light, and it is getting brighter and brighter until it's the colour of Cornish Ice cream and you can feel it's warmth enfold you, and suddenly you are out of the tunnel, back in the gallery of life.
    So you take your light and sit down, and relax and look back at where you came from. The tunnel is gone, the entrance has been bricked over, then plastered over and some artists have painted a mural over the place honouring the purpose of the tunnel.

    You are Home, you are safe! Well done and Simply Thankyou!

    Namaste' Bob and Barnaby Eden. Woof.

  6. I just came off 28 yrs of antidepressants this Jan 2018. I’m concerned based on what the gentleman said regarding the being on ADs for only weeks and relapse. Have I done irreparable harm? I’m also coming off valium after 2 yrs, tapering slowly at 10mg. I’m terrified.

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  8. I suffered from severe depression when pregnant with my second child. This was also not the first time I fell into such deep depression. Anti depressants saved my life, because I would have taken my own life if I didn't get better. I am healthy and fit and exsersise every single day. even through being depressed, thinking it would help….. I wonder if these doctors ever experienced depression first hand? I don't want to be on these meds my whole live, but can't put my marriage and life on the line for trying some alternative that might help. what if I stop using these meds and end up taking my own life? if there is a therapists worth his salt, please let me know, cause in my experience ,talking about feelings, haven't solved anything.

  9. That's so true. I received therapy for my problems and my sister's did not. My three sister's are emotionally constipated and remain so to this day. The hard part is having to separate myself from my sister's as they try like crazy to get me back to a place of emotional constipation!

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