Kids Meet A Gay Conversion Therapy Survivor | Kids Meet | HiHo Kids

– I was beaten with a Bible and told that I needed to repent
the demon of homosexuality and expel him from my body. – Wow, if I heard someone was
beatin’ my kid with a book, I would’ve beat them with a book. (laughing) (light music) – Hello. – Hello. – My name’s Marcus, what’s your name? – Jules. – I’m Annie. – Nice to meet you.
– Nice to meet you, too. – What are we here to talk about? – Do you know what coming
out of the closet means? – A kid in the closet
playing hide and go seek, and then it’s coming out of it. – Not literally, but that’s
actually a really good metaphor. Coming out of the closet
means that you reveal to other people something about yourself that’s been a secret. This is more often than not
used for people who are gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender. Have you ever met a gay person before? – I think I have met somebody who is, but they’re my age. – Have you ever known any LGBTQ kids? – My sister. – Oh, wow.
– She started dating a girl, and I was like oh, okay, she’s nice, I can get used to this, no it’s fine. Of course it probably wasn’t
our parents’ first option. – Right.
– And stuff like that, but they were there for her. – That’s really wonderful
and good to hear. – I do attend church,
and I’m Presbyterian. I don’t agree with homosexuality,
but it doesn’t mean I don’t have friends and
family that I love and respect and adore who are. – Sure.
– So I believe it’s their choice. – Where did you get
that idea that, I guess, that it’s a choice. – I didn’t ever really
have that exact idea. – Oh yeah, there you go.
– Oh, okay. I think it depends. If you’re born into the world,
and you know you’re different at such a young age, then
yeah, but if they’re 25, they’ve been straight all their lives, and then they realize oh, I’m
kind of diggin’ girls now, you can change that. – So there’s a lot you
can lose in coming out. You can lose your friends,
you can lose your family. – Yeah.
– Your home. There’s all these things that create fear. So you just been forever avoiding it. It can be a long time before
you’re willing to accept it. When you were coming out of the closet, how was people reacting when
they heard that you were gay? – I first came out to
myself when I was 13. My family, unfortunately,
wasn’t very supportive. I was sent to my grandfather’s,
and he and his church put me through conversion
therapy to try to change me. Have you ever heard of conversion therapy? – I think. – What does conversion or convert mean? – Try to switch someone’s mind or… – Correct, actually. The intent of this is to
get the person to change. It’s to make them not be gay anymore. – So, in conversions
therapy, you go to this place where they’re trying to
change how your personality and how you are. – Correct.
– That would just be pure mean. – They’re trying to make
you like girls again? – Mm-hmm.
– For some reason. – Yeah, and the reason why
is because, unfortunately, a lot of people don’t like gay people because maybe their
religion tells them not to. Did you grow up in a
religious environment? – Yeah, I am religious, but
it’s not meant to hate everybody because hate’s not gonna get
you anywhere in the world. God gave us a choice,
my choice is to love. – That is powerful. You’re a very, very, very enlightened kid. – Can I ask you what techniques were used during your therapy? – First, I was forced to do manual labor in the yard from sun up to sunset while repeating bible passages. I was told that my friends
were all going to die of AIDS, that I was going to die of AIDS. I was beaten with a bible
and told that I needed to repent the demon of
homosexuality and expel him from my body.
– Wow, if I heard someone was beatin’ my kid with a book, I would beat them with a book. (laughing) – I was not allowed to
communicate with anybody. I couldn’t even talk
to my mom on the phone. – How old were you when that happened? – I was 14.
– 14? That’s actually pretty young for that. – Yes, the more I was resistant
to what they were trying to do, the abuse increased to
what’s called forced fasting, which is just a polite way
of saying that I was starved. – That’s just wrong. – It is, it’s very wrong. – Which one of those was actually the one that you felt the worst about? – It was the loneliness. Part of conversion therapy, before any physical abuse starts, it’s all about breaking down your spirit, it’s all about breaking
down your mind and, unfortunately, oftentimes,
it’s successful. – When that happened, were
you faking like it was working so that they wouldn’t abuse you anymore or to try to stop it? – No. The reason why is because I didn’t think that there was anything wrong with me. The worst thing that you
can do is deny who you are, and that goes for anything,
because you like… Do you like Dr. Who? – Yes.
– Let’s say a lot of other people don’t, and
let’s say all of your classmates said we’re not gonna be your friend because you like Dr. Who, but if you say that Dr. Who is stupid,
we’ll be your friend. Would you do that? – Well I’d not stop ’cause I
just love watching Dr. Who. – Exactly, so I don’t believe
in lying about yourself to make other people happy. I just stayed true to who I was. – That’s really clever. – Thank you.
(laughing) – Could you give me
some tips or something? – I can.
– To be a good friend to my friend? – The biggest one is just
to be a friend, be there, because coming out, it’s still so scary, and it’s confusing, and
sometimes that journey takes a really long time to get there. – To this day, do you feel
at peace with yourself? – I do. If someone said tomorrow, oh here’s a pill l to make you straight, I woudlnt do it. I love being gay, I wouldn’t change it. – That’s good.
(laughing) – Hi, I’m Marcus James,
thanks for watching Kids Meet. To find out more about
me or to read books, click on the link below, and
if you or someone you know is in danger of going
through an experience in conversion therapy, check
out the resources down below.


  1. Ayeee the girl who was like ‘i don’t aGrEe to homosexuality’
    I swear to god her name is actually karen and she is going to take the kids

  2. In my opinion this video shouldn't be with kids because kids don't have there own mental things and opinion they just agree with someone because they didn't experience anything they dont have experience for there own opinion come out, they should wait till older age to start have conversations like that. IN MY OPINION(NO OFFENSE)

  3. If a child is saying they don’t agree with homosexuality
    Then their parent more than likely doesn’t either
    Why put her on this video? I mean I know it’s a different perspective.

  4. Me a bisexual transgender man: "Oop Annie kinda cute"
    Annie: "I don't agree with homosexuality"
    Me: "I- Wha- I mean…. go off I guess"

  5. Why this kid doesn't agree with homosexuality?
    I don't even know if she's a boy or a girl because he / she looks like a transgender….🤔

  6. honestly I think people can love who they want to love, period. if you don't agree with someone's choice of love its not your business- it ain't gonna hurt you so byebye

  7. As a catholic, people make generalizations about me that I'm homophobic, but as mother theresa said, "we will call them friends of jesus, not homosexuals" never be afraid of who you are, because even if no one on earth accepts you, Jesus always loves you. No matter what

  8. 1:18… I am Presbyterian and lesbian… Are there different types of Presbyterians??? (confusion) Most people I came out to at my church were fine with it…also I want to come out to my homophobic cousins, uncles, aunts, grandparents. They will probably try to beat me with a bible tho… XD (JK). any Idea how???

  9. That one young woman is not necessarily in the closet. I know many of the viewers on this are quite young and judgemental in a sense. I was also raised in a household with strong beliefs. I think it’s very incredible that she expressed hers and came on this show. It also shows that her parents are willing to accept her no matter what. She’s an absolutely beautiful and such an intelligent girl and I truly hope she reads more positive comments. Many of the people commenting are very young, but she also seems smart enough to realize that and overlook it. I hope she never takes anything to heart and finds herself. Everyone deserves that chance. I also urge you younger kids on youtube to be more open. Just because she has short hair doesn’t mean anything. Nothing you do should ever put you into a specific box. By not judging others on superficial things, you can be someone that doesn’t “put someone into a box”. I’m 22 and was a child pretty recently. I learned at a young age to love others and not comment on superficial matters or express potentially false/unprovoked opinions. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion, but you should always support and try to love your fellow person first.

  10. I'm still hiding my gender to my parents and they don't know I'm dating someone. My friends knows already about my gender and they are very supportive of it. And I'm very thankful to find true friends like them 🙂

  11. “i dont agree with homosexuality”

    𝗴𝗶𝘃𝗲𝘀 𝗼𝗳𝗳 𝗯𝗶𝗴 𝗹𝗲𝘀𝗯𝗶𝗮𝗻 𝘃𝗶𝗯𝗲𝘀


  13. 4:53 – "…often times it's successful" breaking you, I assume you mean, but not at making you straight. Or does it sometimes do that as well? (And if it does make someone straight, what are the negative side effects, that you'd end up living with?)

  14. i really appreciated the lady in the back who stepped in and noted “We didn’t pose the question to you fairly.” like, that’s just a kid and the kid actually answered really respectfully and honestly.

  15. Human that I actually thought was queer: I don’t agree with homosexual-ality.

    Me: Are you hecking—

    But seriously, I’m 13 and a lesbian and I think that conversion therapy is one of the worst things ever invented. Knowing that someone was starved, beaten, forced into solitude and told to repress who he is brings a great sadness to my heart. I hope he’s happy and—wait, his name is Marcus James? That is an awesome name, dude. Seriously.

  16. I don’t necessarily consider myself ‘Christian’. I’m not a very religious person and I don’t always follow through with popular beliefs or traditions. But when people use god as an excuse to hate gays, I can’t help but think that if God truly hated homosexuals, why would he spend the time creating them? And, again, I don’t necessarily believe in god, but this is just to give a reality check to all those religious homophobics out there

  17. These are the exact same places your money goes when you support companies like chick fil a. Any still spending at businesses like those while claiming to be an ally is a hypocrite point blank period.

  18. ¢яуѕтαℓ ιѕ ѕσ ѕωєєт αη∂ ιηησ¢єηт. ι яєƒυѕє тσ ℓєт нєя gяσω υρ! ❤ ι яємємвєя ωнєη ѕнє ωαѕ ѕσ ℓιттℓє 😔

  19. Funny how the CLEARLY-lesbian girl is the most close-minded of them all… Again, religion doing no god for people's minds!

  20. That girl that doesn’t agree with homosexuality looks like a queer herself.
    I smell internalized homophobia 🤣

  21. “i don’t agree with homosexuality”

    girl you have the short hair and cuffed jeans the homosexuality is just radiating off your body

  22. Ya'll are saying God wants us to love everyone. Get the love that God wants you to use straight. Different types of love are used. Loving someone with the same gender isn't love but lust.

  23. I'm lesbian and one thing that bothers me is when supporters of LGBTQ get all mad when some people dont agree with us and call that homophobic. Being homophobic is way different then not agreeing with LGBTQ. Like the majority of these kids arent necessarily supporters and dont necessarily agree with it, but they are all very loving and thoughtful about it. I dont get how people get mad when someone doesnt agree with homosexuality. Now being homophobic would be not agreeing with it, and going around usings slurs and telling people they're going to hell. THATS homophobic. Not simply disagreeing. You have to accept that different people have different beliefs and religions and not everyone is going to necessarily accept homosexuality. That gives no excuse to go off being homophobic, though.

  24. My mom told me that if someone really believes in their religion that will except you for who you are not who you arnt

  25. Let's remember the girl who said she doesn't agree with homosexuality is still a teen. Grow tf up and respect her view, he did.

  26. Yasss well god told us to love every one so I will love them wow actually started to cry so powerful I wish ever one thought that way

  27. When crystal said ‘when a kid in the closet in hide and go seek and they’re coming out of it’ I actually that that’s what coming out of the closet meant Xd

  28. I really hate the idea of conversation camp and torture with bible and all that stuff, just makes my blood boil and really puts a bad name on the loving and amazing people in the Christian community.

  29. Me thinking about coming out: watches video
    Him: talking about what happend during conversion therapy
    Me: awkwardly steps back into the closet

  30. This poor bb lesbian. She’s gonna suffer so much, I wanna hug her. So much self-hatred and internalized homophobia. I hope she finds her true family soon <3

  31. I am SO proud of this man. He came out to his family, suffered severe abuse at my same age that I can't even imagine, and is now here living his life proud.
    My Christian family loves me very much, and I only have my lesbian foot out of the closet XD

  32. I have 2 lesbian friends who are dating (we will one call s the other we will call m) so m comes up to me and asked me if I know s's secret and I say no (this is before they started dating) so m basically asked if I knew s was lesbian so I said no and m panics a little so we confront s about it, and she really didn't care and was actually really comfortable with me knowing

    I do have another friend that is bisexual (like myself) that lives in a religious house so only her friends know and she told her crush she was bi, and she was scared. at the time I'm writing this, she still hasn't come out to her parents and the worst part is, her mom is VERY religious but my friend isn't

    Idk why, I just wanted to share these stories

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