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  1. Kaiser also forces you to use their facilities, for instance my mother0-in-law has to drive 2 hours to get her treatment

  2. In BC Canada you pay approximately 76.00 (single person) or 144.00 (family of 3+) for healthcare. That entitles you to a doctor, specialist, hospital, clinics with no bill. If you make less than 30,000.00 per year you don’t have to pay this. A lot of jobs this price is included and some places you get extended health which can cover some or all of glasses, hearing aids, dental and so much more. You can buy extended health for a minimal fee. Prescriptions are about 1/4 the price in Canada. We have on average better healthcare outcomes than the US. No one waits for emergencies. Yes there are wait times for non emergencies or elective surgeries.
    I was diagnosed had a Ct scan and was on treatment cancer in less than two weeks. My extended healthcare if needed covered someone coming to my home to so my husband could have a break or go out shopping and someone for light housekeeping. It paid for a scooter and a lift for it for the back of my car because of my strength for walking far. If this happened to me in the US I more than likely would have lost my home to pay the bill. We pay for this care through our taxes but if you add up all the taxes you pay we almost pay the same. Anyone coming to Canada (even international students) within 6 months must get universal healthcare. (No one complains).
    I would never ever give up my healthcare in Canada.

  3. Greater competition in the healthcare insurance industry would just weaken insurance companies leverage to negotiate prices with massive, for-profit healthcare providers. All it does is shift price making way from one industry and into another.

    Single payer kills two birds with one stone: it lowers administration costs, or "BIR," and it creates greater negotiating leverage that is needed to reduce healthcare provider costs.

  4. In my experience in the working class and the middle class my friends and family forgo needed medical care and avoid healthcare as much as is possible due to having to pay in a for profit system. Some have bought minimal health insurance only for hospital emergencies which they will hopefully not have to use, and dispense with going to see a doctor until they end of in the hugely costly to the individual, family and whole society, hospital E.R.. There is no socially moral, ethical or financial benefit regarding for profit systems for providing healthcare.

  5. The minute someone uses raw life expectancy stats or infant mortality or birth weight as measures of healthcare outcome, they've lost all credibility.

  6. Yeah I`m sure everyone in the middle of the US can hightail it down to Mexico when they need cheap drugs cus they can`t afford ones close to home. Thousands of people in wheelchairs would be wheeling down the freeway with big smiles on their faces. For fuck sake. Get the drugs cheaper in the US NOW and save people from just another hoop to jump through in order to look after themselves. The US government is a legalised bunch of crooks ripping off the poor as usual. What a surprise.

  7. This is dumb. If you're 90 and you need something you get it. We as people shouldn't have to make 'cost' decisions on our health care. It shouldn't matter what it costs. The single payer would just pay and NEGOTIATE for the cheapest prices.

  8. Joanne Spetz's arguments were like a list of conservative talking points. Pretty unconvincing and really sad for someone calling herself an economist. One example: allowing insurers to provide whatever kind of crappy plans they wish. Result: healthy, young people buy the cheap plans, older sicker people or people with pre-existing conditions buy the expensive plans or simply can't buy anything that would cover their conditions. Market failure ensues. Not once does she talk about the incentives for providers to run up services at outrageous prices. It's all about individuals having "more skin in the game" and making better decisions in spite of all the information asymmetry that is inherent in the fee-for-service system. Not to mention that we are talking about a person's health here, not the health of their car. And finally, who gives a damn about "budgets"? If you spend all your time screaming about deficits and fail to look at the elephant in the room, namely costs, then you are full of it. If you bring down health care costs by even just 20 or 30% in a single payer system, you will have improved the situation, even if there is a "budget" (i.e. political) problem.

  9. Almost lost me when he started his presentation with a social justice example. It automatically biases his presentation. Unfortunate.

  10. he doesn't even bring up how much is costs healthcare industries when providers create fraud. it runs in the billions per yr. fuck this idiot

  11. he doesn't make a good argument. people go to canada for cheap prescriptions not health care.

    second, he never covered the costs that each tax payer has to pay to support this system. so far, our government can't budget money for petes sake.

    comparing US to taiwan, are you serious? dumbest comparison. he should compare the US to another country that is closer in population and economics standard.

    if everyone wants to pay 30%+ in taxes and have it go up the more you make then bring that up.

    I'll ask him this, if healthcare is now "free" how can you guarantee that it will not be abused like our welfare system.

  12. The fallacy of "letting health insurance companies compete." They don't want to compete and collude and merge to make sure they don't. Unless you are going to completely politically reform our government, this whole idea WILL NOT WORK. Our politicians continue to do nothing about anti-trust and collusion. Also, the real reason corporatists like this want open health care provider borders is it will make the health care providers more money. They can all move their HQs to the lowest taxed and lowest regulated state. This won't save customer's money, merely increase profit margins for the companies.

  13. Her argument is horrible, and riddled with fallacies. Prevention is FAR cheaper than treatment, but her point of view ignores that in favor of corporate profits. Don't know if her actual position is this one, or if she's just debating. But this is a cold heartless position.

  14. So if I'm at the end of my days, I can't breath without assistance, I can't walk, I'm in chronic pain, this woman thinks I should go on vacation instead of getting help with my health? Screw her, she just wants me to pull my own plug! And she has a very bad habit of acting like she was talking to children. Where's the respect for people who have lived a full life and have consistently paid into the systems available. The golden years are full of tin, according to Joanne-know-it-all. Pull your own plug, lady!

  15. U. S. should emulate most of the U. K., Canada, Australia, etc. universal health care system with single payer financing and some other private options. These systems focus on streamlining health care providers in terms of budgeting and cost efficient care to improve national health outcomes and tend to purge out service abuse from providers. but realistically that's a long shot in this country. we dont place enough trust in our federal government compared to some European nations, Canada and other countries and we dissmiss these socialized programs as evil communism without a shred of rational thought about it. so yea we'll keep splitting hairs and Republicans will take forever to come up with this idyllic plan of theirs that's oh soooo much better than the A.C.A yet no one has a clue what it is.
    the American people need to start viewing Healthcare as a nationwide issue that we must ALL contribute to, the same way that we fund our national guard, disaster response teams and help pay for the maintenance of our national infrastructure. The human body decays like all living and inanimate things, it's a natural process of life in this planet and it's no one's fault, regardless of gender, race, national identity or creed. When did we decide to pay for private insurance in order for the federal or state government to rebuild our roads, bridges, dams, to keep us safe from natural disaster, including epidemics, to help our children receive basic K-12 education? No, we trust the government to make wise use of our hard-earned tax money. if we cannot reform our government to achieve this kind of trust then we are truly doomed as a society. Corporate lobbying will keep taking over our government, the financialization of our economy will wipe out the middle class and drive income and wealth inequality through the roof while absurd Republican conservatism will shred the little social progress we've made in last 80 years since the beginning of The New Deal

  16. Some editing is in order: Free market vs. welfare state. Guess what? The free market wins EVERY TIME!

  17. uh yup this was in 2012 before the argument the police are racist and they are institutionally racist thats not high praise by any means jack

  18. the 'free market' will never care about your health care, only it's profit line. We either decide as a nation that we care for each other, ALL of each other (even if it takes some real brave and moral changes), or we continue to allow the 'W's' & 'Dick's' to keep us preoccupied with the Middle East. Your health is EVERYTHING.

  19. Single payer equals less quality of care. Watch "Sick and Sicker" That shows what it looks like in Canada. Or just look at the VA and all it's ineffectiveness. The mindset of these two speakers is unbelievable. They gloss over or ignore facts about cost, quality of care, the rise in costs for all patients and who pays.I could go on an on about this video, so I wont.

  20. No one frivolously seeks out MRIs.  All this fear-mongering about frivolous overuse is a red herring.

    Yeah, sure, okay, if I had market-driven care, rather than rushing to get a $1500 MRI, I would ice my knee and elevate it for a week and wait and see how it is… That much of her argument makes sense.

    But then… one week later… when my knee still hurts, and I still need the MRI… it STILL COSTS ME THE $1500 FOR THAT MRI, because my consumer-driven plan still sucks and still doesn't cover it!

    So, for all my "cost awareness" and "painstaking careful responsible planning", I'm still out the $1500!  At the end of the day, THAT is the difference between Universal Coverage and "market driven" care.  Hello?  Was I suppose to just mentally gloss over that "minor detail" in the name of almighty Libertarianism?  Hooray for "stick-it-to-the-unlucky", "glad-it's-not-me" health policy?  No thanks.  

    The benefit of a shared risk pool is supposed to be that you're economically sheltered from cost surges when misfortune strikes.  $1500 is more than anyone can spend casually.  Let's get real about providing care to people who need it.

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